Hand Sawing |
A time must come for the aspiring hobbyist woodworker to go
beyond making butt joints and attempt more robust joints such as mortise and
tenon joints, box joints, dovetails and so forth. These joints might seem
daunting at first but with the rights tools, techniques and practice they can be made
easily and repetitively without shedding too much perspiration.
Joints can be made with power tools but that is an expensive
and involved route because it invariably involves the use of jigs, accessories
and complex set ups. Dovetail jigs for use with routers, for instance, cost
hundreds of dollars and other jigs require table saws, pricey dado blades and
so on. This would be the preferable course for mass producers of furniture and
contractors but for the ordinary DIY person or hobbyist woodworker it is overkill.
Besides, the joy of hand crafting something is incomparable and for hobbyists
like me, who are in no hurry to finish anything, the luxury of pottering around
even dawdling over a project can be immensely fulfilling.
Should the hobbyist woodworker decide to venture into
somewhat more complex joinery using hand tools, he should bear in mind that
success would require three key ingredients in equal measure: good tools, right
technique and practice.
Skill, in my opinion, serves to a point but cannot overcome
the inherent shortcomings of a poor tool, neither can technique. For joinery,
two kinds of tools are essential: chisels and hand saws. I have discussed
chisels in a previous blog and here I offer some insight into hand saws that
could be used for joinery, bearing in mind that the large regular saws used for
ripping board are completely inappropriate for joinery, which requires far
smaller and more precise saws.
I looked around and settled on four saws that I thought could
be used to make most joints. It must be mentioned here though, that traditional
woodworkers use a variety of specialized saws to make joints; there are tenon
saws, large and small, exclusively used for cutting tenons, others for cutting
dovetails and so on. The choice and variety of saws available can become bewildering
but we hobbyists in India are spared all that because there simply aren’t enough
kinds of saws to confuse us!
After looking around a bit, I bought a Yato Mitre Saw, a
Stanley back saw, a Crown Gents saw and a traditional Indian saw (which I have
written about earlier).
Yato Mitre Saw
Yato Mitre Saw |
Yato is a Polish company that has
been around for many years but opened Asian operations only a few years ago.
They now have begun to market their tools in India and offer pretty good prices
for some excellent products. I purchased this mitre saw which came with a
flimsy plastic mitre box for about Rs 800 plus. The Saw is interesting; the
steel is thin but retains its shape well, an attribute very necessary for
cutting accurate joints. It is meant for cutting mitres but I thought it could be
used for cutting box joints, dovetails and small tenons as well.
Yato Saw Teeth |
The Yato saw’s teeth are serrated
and extremely sharp; they are not inclined in any particular direction, that is
they have no “rake”. The teeth count is 12 per inch which is quite acceptable
for fine work, considering that regular rip saws have about 7 teeth per inch
(tpi). This seems to be a cross cut saw as can be seen from the arrangement of
the teeth. Some high end saws have as many as 20 teeth per inch. There is, however,
a trade-off between a fine toothed saw and its cutting ability; the more the
teeth, the slower it will cut.
Crown Gents Saw
Crown Gents Saw |
This saw made by Crown Hand Tools Company, an old Sheffield based family run business, is a beauty and a delight to use. It is a bit pricey and cost me quite a bit from amazon.com. But I rate it as a worthwhile buy, even though I ended up forking out more than Rs 1,600 for it. The saw is only 8 inches long and can cut about 2 inches deep. It is meant mainly for cutting dovetails and could do small tenons as well.
Teeth of Gents Saw |
Stanley Back Saw
Stanley Back Saw |
Stanley saw teeth |
The teeth of this saw too are inclined forward but not as
steep as the Gents saw. This too has 12 tpi and starts well. However, its blade
is thicker than that of both the Crown and Yato saws.
Traditional Indian Hand Saw
Traditional Indian Hand Saw |
Indian Saw Teeth |
Comparison of cuts
Comparison of Cuts |
In order to see how the different saws would perform in the
hands of an amateur woodworker, I fixed a piece of rubber wood in my vice and
gave them all a go. The aim was to find out how easily I could cut along a line
marked on the wood and how thin and precise the cut would be.
After practising a bit with all the four saws it became
clear that two of them, the Indian and the Yato saws, were not suitable for
cutting fine joints. The Indian saw performed well when ripping long pieces but
it was difficult for an amateur to control it for fine cuts. The Yato saw
performs very well when used with the mitre box for which it was designed but
is difficult to control without a guide; perhaps the arrangement of its teeth
makes the initial cut difficult and the saw can wander. This is not a problem
when it is run in the mitre box slots where it can slice through thick hard
pieces of wood without any problem.
I found that the Gents saw was the easiest to use, it did
not drift as I cut on the line. It was obvious that the Gents saw produced the
best cut while the Indian saw produced the worst! The Stanley back saw also
performed well and cut easily once it got started. Its cut was straight and
could easily maintain the vertical line. The Stanley saw would have been as
good as the Gents saw had its set been finer.
I concluded that I would use the Gents saw for cutting
dovetails and box joints while the Stanley back saw would be best reserved for
cutting tenons.
Practice Exercise
To improve my skills I have been making shallow (one inch)
practice cuts on a piece of board like the one above, except I have been
spacing the cuts by only a quarter inch.
To start the cut, one is advised to rest the saw against one’s
thumb, which then acts like a guide, and carefully make an initial shallow cut
on or along the horizontal line. If this starting cut is accurate, bang on the
line, then the next step is to deepen this cut slightly and then angle the saw
to cut along the vertical line. Once the horizontal and vertical cuts have been
established correctly, the saw will naturally follow these grooves and make an
accurate cut.
Woodworkers are also advised not to force the saw to cut;
the downward pull of gravity and a to and fro piston motion of the arm should
be enough. If the saw gets stuck it means the cut is not clean and the blade
has been angled in some manner.
Indranil Banerjie
12 June 2013
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i guess all these handsaw except Indian one design for dovetail or let'say box joint.basically we indian use to pull saw.normal western handsaw they design for pushing so for us it's quite difficult to use to it.
ReplyDeletereason why in india we don't have high quality handsaw? most of woodworker they are not well paid for their skill so how they can afford 1000 rupees handsaw.second thing in india woodworking skill is disappearing because of cheap chinese junk.the most woodworking using marble cutter which suppose to cut stone.
i still remember carpenter were using bow drill and then using bamboo dowel for draw board mortise and tenon joint.workmanship was so accurate.
well i m not saying that they have to stick with those method but with that kind of workmanship you can treat machinery much better and long last.rather than abusing them
Kuldeep: The loss of skill of Indian woodworkers is indeed a tragedy. I was told in Delhi's Kirti Nagar market which has many furniture and lumber shops that the children of woodworkers were not joining the profession. Low pay is the main reason.
ReplyDeletei was wondering if u have ever tried painting on plastic.
ReplyDeleteif you have some experience please let me know some few tips.
thank you.
Use chemical named SR500 as a primaer and the paint will not peel off
DeleteVery interesting info, Amit. Many thanks.
DeleteSurabhi: Unfortunately whenever tried painting on plastic it peeled off in places after a while. But there are special acrylic paints meant for painting on plastics such as on aircraft and other models.
ReplyDeleteWhere do you get the Gent's saw in India?
ReplyDeleteThomas: I bought it on amazon.com
ReplyDeleteI was just wondering if I should trust Amazon.. Now I shall.. Am trying to get it from someone coming from EU. Thanks for the info.. :)
ReplyDeleteI am trying my hands on woodworking as hobby. I have been hunting to learn from some or some place but nobody is even willing to even guide.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to contribute back to the industry stop preaching and start teaching.
If I go to a shop to buy wood they cheat with more cost and less quality wood. If you go to ahrdware to buy stuff, they look at you like, 'why are you asking for all this? You dont look like a carpenter'.
DIY has no scope in this country. People, if you want to do something, start teaching and guiding.
Fully agree with MR. Same is the case with me also
ReplyDeleteSearched for a while, and did not find anyone selling tenon/back saws online or in my locality.
ReplyDeleteThus ordered one today from UK via Ebay - Silverline 250Mm Tri-Cut Tenon Hand Saw Wood/Woodwork 12Tpi DIY.
I am intrigued by box joints / dovetails and would try out some simple joints/boxes utilizing the same after I receive the saw.
- Siddhartha
Siddhartha: You certainly wont find a Tenon saw in India; I searched, believe me. Some backsaws are available, including the ones Stanley makes but these in my opinion are inferior saws. Good luck with the Silverline saw you ordered on eBay. Let us know how that turns out once you get it.
ReplyDeleteTried out the silverline tenon saw a few times on plywood - and frankly I am confused.
DeleteIts very difficult to start the cut, the saw gets stuck frequently, screeches during the cut, but the saw kerf is very thin and the cut ends are ultra smooth. I think the stickiness and screeching is due to how the plywood layers are laid out and presence of glue/chemicals.
Did not get a chance yet to try out the tenon saw on some real wood - the cost seems prohibitive for DIYers. Searching for some scraps in local lumberyards yielded no results - these guys even sell the scraps for a price !
But I think the saw may perform better once it is put on real wood - shall update once the same is achieved.
- Siddhartha
Siddhartha: Send me photos of the saws if you can to indian.woodworker@gmail.com. To prevent the screeching sound try waxing the saw by rubbing a candle against its tip.
ReplyDeleteFinally found something other than plywood to test the saw. Couple of years back a off-the-shelf blockboard door was fitted at home, and the end was sawn off to fit the same in the existing frame. The door is presumably wood sandwiched between 2 thin layers of (processed?) wood
DeleteTried out the tenon saw on the scrap piece - initially it was difficult to start the cut, but as the wood layer was reached the saw cut like hot knife in butter! And no screeching! The saw is coated in a orange material and some paint transfer happens while cutting. The end cut is smooth too. Have sent you a few pictures of the saw as well as the cut.
Please do let know your thoughts.
- Siddhartha
hello indranil...what saw can i use to make perfect mitre joints...for a photo frame...i have been using a general purpose saw for it...but the mitres are not so accurate...should i get import a tenon saw...or should a buy a circular saw for this purpose...i want something which cuts fine and is multipurpose...
ReplyDeleteDouble-O, what you need is a decent Japanese saw (about Rs 1500) plus either a mitre gauge or a mitre box. You can make a simple mitre box or else cut a a 45 degree mitre slot in a straight piece of wood to guide your cut. Finish up with a bit of hand sanding for a perfect fit. Even a 65k sliding mitre saw will not necessarily cut the perfect mitre.
Deletethankyou so much...can u give me link of from where can i get a japanese saw?? also please let me know what clamp and what size should i use for doing this job?
DeleteTry this Japanese website started by an Indian for Indian woodworkers: https://jpytools.pswebstore.com/
ReplyDeleteThe selection of tools is small but good. A clamp is not esswential; just press the 45 degree of your combination square against the piece and make the cuty.
Where from can I buy Japanese saw (about RS 1500)Sir?
ReplyDeleteTry toolsfromjapan.com/store
DeleteVery informative article sir, I have been looking for a dovetail and tenon saw for over a month now. I am told you get good saws in chawri bazaar, is that true ? Would I for instance be able to get crown and stanley there.
ReplyDeleteWhat interests me about wood working is that you can do Gods work there, after all wasn't Joseph a carpenter.
In the process of making some dovetail boxes for Rakhee and I need the saw to cut the dovetails. I make dovetails, mortise and tenon and housing dados with aplomb though dovetails is my speciality.
regs
Great to hear about your enthusiam and skill in woodworking. You could get Stanley saws in Chawri Bazar (there is a shop opposite the Main Metro stn) but I haven't come across anyone selling Crown saws. You could try amazon. Best of luck.
Deletehi, i am starting wood working. please suggest me a good hand saw. i am from chennai. I found a hand saw which looks decent but not sure which will make me my own straight cuts.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.eassymall.com/product/12-inch-adjustable-back-saw-handsaw-miter-saw-woodworking-cutting-tool.
I am also not sure that at this stage if can afford a Japanese saw. My requirement is to make straight cuts on hard woods that could go into a furniture. Please guide.
That saw looks fine but is on the expensive side. In Chennai there are shops that sell Stanley tools; find one and get a small Stanley saw. It should not cost you more than Rs 800 or so.
DeleteYou could also get a Stanley mitre box and saw for about Rs 1400 or so.
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